Ep. 10: The Risk of Discomfort

In the wake of Richard Spencer’s visit to Gainesville, FL, I sat down for a timely emotional conversation with counselor Kathleen Joseph. Kathleen talks about fighting cancer, experiencing racism, and struggling to find a therapist in a field of mental health professionals who don’t look like her.

When editing this episode, I chose to leave in many of the long, heavy silences between us.  It just didn’t seem right to cut out the places where we may have been the most uncomfortable. I hope to invite Kathleen back soon and risk even more discomfort. I found our talk extremely worthwhile.

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  1. J October 26, 2017 Reply

    Wow! This has been such a powerful episode to listen to. I am a White, female counselor in Idaho. While listening to the podcast, I feared that Kathleen may be feeling invalidated and having another experience where her intersectionality is not being fully seen and understood. I’m not sure if I can pinpoint exactly why I felt that way. However, I felt so relieved and moved as this was addressed openly and genuinely in the podcast. It seemed to take so much courage from both of you and it was amazing for me to witness. It has helped me think about my own blind spots, despite my best intentions, and serves as a model for how I can have an open conversation like this. I would love to hear a follow-up once you’ve both had the chance to process your experiences and are ready to enter this vulnerable place again. Specifically, Kathleen I am curious to hear more about your emotional experience because I wonder if you felt you had to minimize it. Knowing that you like time to process, I imagine you will have a lot of insight into this. Sara, I would love to hear more how you processed this conversation and acknowledged your own White guilt (I’m assuming) without letting it overtake your responses and allow you to continue the conversation. Thank you both for your openness, genuineness, and bravery!

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